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ying2

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Re: 儲臍帶血

Nillie_Mami, 我聽完講座係一位血科&腫瘤科醫生講解, 整個講座並沒有sell我地去幫襯cryocell, 那位醫生只是講解臍帶血是甚麽, 為甚麽要儲又可以幫助到甚麽病, 如果萬一自己兩夫婦有事都好大機會用到, 况且依家通常只生一個, 如果小朋友有事真係比較難很快地揾d適合幹細胞, at the end醫生只是想帶出一個信息, 臍帶血並不是費物是十分有用, 假如我地唔諗住自己儲都要考慮給redcross可以救其他人... 完了講座後cryocell並沒有sell我地, 只是每人有贈品及他們公司background info& enrollment form, 我覺得好worthwhile去聽&認識咗好多嘢.
我問Cryocell有冇insurance cover, 佢話公司有買保險可以作額外賠償但就冇話set咗幾多錢for each. 佢話公司如果HK branch close 佢地仲有其地branches in other countries which we can transfer to.
原來可以儲唔止18yrs, but after18yrs yr kid has the right to decide if s/he wants to continue or not, so as parents the plan for us is only up to 18yrs.

Gunson, 醫生話基本上所有臍帶血都是safe, 因為bb出世未受感染, 除非媽媽本身有遺傳病, 但如果媽媽有遺傳病咁醫生都會叫你唔好要bb. 因為癌症本身是後天, 所以可以用番自己的臍帶血再做細胞, 如果癌症復發咁就要再揾其他合適的骨髓或臍帶血(因為自己留咗d臍帶血已用咗), 但通常復發都兇多吉少...

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Nillie_Mami

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發表於 06-11-9 22:47 |只看該作者

Re: 儲臍帶血

Ying2,
Therefore, 我揀咗cryo cell.. ^o^ 冇壓力嘛.. 美國呢邊要列明一切架.. 怕有law suit 嘛!
所以我會為小肥bear 買21年.. at least, after that, 佢係大人.. 就由佢自已決定囉!

ying2 寫道:
Nillie_Mami, 我聽完講座係一位血科&腫瘤科醫生講解, 整個講座並沒有sell我地去幫襯cryocell, 那位醫生只是講解臍帶血是甚麽, 為甚麽要儲又可以幫助到甚麽病, 如果萬一自己兩夫婦有事都好大機會用到, 况且依家通常只生一個, 如果小朋友有事真係比較難很快地揾d適合幹細胞, at the end醫生只是想帶出一個信息, 臍帶血並不是費物是十分有用, 假如我地唔諗住自己儲都要考慮給redcross可以救其他人... 完了講座後cryocell並沒有sell我地, 只是每人有贈品及他們公司background info& enrollment form, 我覺得好worthwhile去聽&認識咗好多嘢.
我問Cryocell有冇insurance cover, 佢話公司有買保險可以作額外賠償但就冇話set咗幾多錢for each. 佢話公司如果HK branch close 佢地仲有其地branches in other countries which we can transfer to.
原來可以儲唔止18yrs, but after18yrs yr kid has the right to decide if s/he wants to continue or not, so as parents the plan for us is only up to 18yrs.

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WYJIMMY

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Re: 儲臍帶血

各位媽咪好, 我係準爹地, 希望大家唔好介意...

睇完好似一定要儲去美國, 我想問香港沒有的嗎? 請別介意唐突, BB 出世開支大, 3萬多不是一個小數目, 想了解清楚, 謝謝!

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ying2

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Re: 儲臍帶血

Nillie_Mami,
sorry個名係cryolife, 唔係cryocell. 我都話冇hardsell過啦, 我連名都係睇咗一眼咋!

係美國有這間嗎? 你意思係從美國飛返d臍帶血返香港儲? 要唔要我幫你問吓?
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呀, 我仲問醫生乜可以儲18yrs咁耐咩? 佢話基本上臍帶血係冰凍-190度温度, 其實100年都應該冇問題, 但因為現時未有人儲過咁耐所以冇statistics back up這種說法, 依家d人只係儲咗10幾年所以只可以話起碼儲10幾年, 如果唔係佢地醫生咁講同睇相佬冇分別.
醫生話揾臍帶血保存庫公司最緊要睇佢公司有冇accreditation, 並非邊個話好就好. 要有國際認可證.
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Wyjimmy,
唔係呀, 香港有3間公司儲臍帶血保存庫, 分別係cordlife, cryolife & healthbaby. Cordlife好似係儲在星加坡. 你有冇看"孕媽媽"? 成日賣advertisement. 我可以揾website畀你.

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bingoooo

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Re: 儲臍帶血

i found the following discussion in 06年12月媽媽會 for your reference...

but i think it's better to attend all their seminars to have a more details understanding on the service they provide before we join any of them...

http://www.baby-kingdom.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=756316&forum=159&36

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Carol999

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Re: 儲臍帶血

我果日係聯合醫院聽產前講座時, 有位媽咪都有問過有關儲腰帶血的事情, 佢話個agent話會搵人代入產房拿你b的腰帶血, 但係個姑娘就好肯定咁話現階段所有HA的醫院係唔會幫人留臍帶血, 亦唔可能有咩"搵人代入產房"度抽到臍帶血, 所以我覺得有d唔係咁清晰囉

至於我和我家，我們必定事奉耶和華。（書２４：１５）

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ying2

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Re: 儲臍帶血

係呀, 個講座醫生都話政府醫院唔會幫人留臍帶血, 紅十字會會派人去2間政府醫院取臍帶血, 好似話係廣華&威爾士, 但過咗working hours紅十字會又唔會做架喇, 香港政府冇推行這個儲臍帶血的事, 所以令佢地d血科醫生好沮喪.
所以只有去c+醫院才可自己儲臍帶血.
冇聽過話d臍帶血保存庫公司會派人抽臍帶血, 我相信抽臍帶血都要係醫生先得.

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慧芸

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Re: 儲臍帶血

Carol999,
因為响C+生先至可以留臍帶血架咋...香港d政府e院唔得架...
嗰個agent可能解釋得唔清楚...我contact過幾間臍帶血公司,d sales都有問過我係邊樹生,講明政府e生唔會幫你抽臍帶血,冇得儲...
如果响C+生,都要問清楚你個C+e生&e院會唔會收extra charges (雖然so far 冇聽過有收)。生完叫你老公通知間臍帶血公司黎收,咁佢地就會有人去e院拿你b的腰帶血架啦!

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ying2

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Re: 儲臍帶血

間臍帶血公司會首先畀個盒你, 你入院時帶埋入去, 盒裡有袋畀醫生抽, 抽完臍帶血公司會攞走.

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Nillie_Mami

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ying 2,
Cryo cell 係美國3大臍帶血庫之一, 有十幾年歴史.. 係喺florida做storage 架.. 唔係香港.. 我已registered.. 收埋cord blood collection kit 喇!
美國嘅公司係派專人去醫院 2小時內收 specimen, 之後就即坐飛機落 florida (disneyworld嗰喥)... 國外就派express 去收.. cryo cell 就話喺香港, collect好 cord blood 就notify 佢哋, express會上病房同媽咪攞個kit, 用express送返florida.. as long as within 48 小時就ok.

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Re: 儲臍帶血

ying2, thanks for asking the question at the seminar. from the doctor's answer to your question, i really want to see him/her at the seminar. could you PM his/her name to me? causes for cancer are complicated. and that's why scientists have been spending decades on it and still we can discover more genes and problems every year. and i found his/her answer that cancer is solely "acquired" quite interesting because it is very different from what is written in the textbooks and suggested in the journals. just like other blood products, contaminated cord blood should not be given to others. and it is rare to hear ppl receiving advice not to carry babies because of cancers in family (with only very few exceptions requiring genetic counselling). you know, cancers are getting more and more common. it is difficult to ask ppl to stop the bad genes going on because of family history of cancers.

anyway, as mentioned in the link i posted some time ago "An autologous (self) transplant can also be done if a child's umbilical cord blood has been stored in a private cord blood bank, although you wouldn't do that for conditions like leukemia because of the genetic risk of the leukemia being in the cord blood too." (http://pediatrics.about.com/od/agesandstages/i/cord_blood_bank.htm) and there are reports (see references below) saying that ppl getting leukemia from cord blood sample with leukemia cells. moreover, genes increasing the risk of leukemia can be found in stem cells in cord blood.

indeed, there is recommendation from the American Academy of Paediatrics on cord blood banking. i think not only doctors should look at it. it is also good for customers to have a look at it. (http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;104/1/116) they recommend matched unrelated cord blood to autologous (self) cord blood for treatment of certain diseases including certain cancers (see the table in the article). not only the American organization, the NHS (UK) does not support commercial banking but public one http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7572/801.

but in our setting here in HK, it might be a little bit different (not because on the scientific/evidence side) because only few hospitals can accept cord blood bank donation (?due to shortage of resources from govt). for those who can't donate to the, they may need to seek help from the private labs with the understanding that autologous cord blood may not be so good and is less frequently used in transplant. so, as i mentioned previously, saving cord blood is the right direction but the decision is where to save.

for those need to buy service, here are a few points concerning checking the lab accreditation.
1. which tests/procedures the lab have been accredited (whether it includes the storage, sample collection and testing procedures)
2. the valid period of the accreditation. remember to check again every 2 to 3 years because accreditation body visit the lab regularly for accreditation again.
3. check the address of lab accredited on the certificate because lab accreditation is location specific.

for general public, the accreditation is good for quality assurance. i am no expert in checking the financial status of the companies. :)

wish you can find a good place to store the cord blood in case you can't join the public banking in red cross.

References:

1. ppl getting leukemia from cord blood transplant
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16437136&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16118319&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_DocSum

2. gene for leukemia in cord blood cells
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15061193&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum

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