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joanl28 發表於 13-12-17 15:13
你既然都知未有判決書
人地引左判決精要,你又話唔回住
咁你當初問人仲乜 ?
我當初只係覺得未睇就唔好話判錯.....而有判決書未我真係唔知,我唔會咩都未睇就評論,評論係要有理據.......
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neko138 發表於 13-12-17 15:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWhyeiNACXQ
佢支持同今次單官司有咩關係?你同而家D人無啦啦入定政府數先有咩分別
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發表於 13-12-17 15:29 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 macyli.hk 於 13-12-17 15:30 編輯

不同意他們可以享受我們的social benefit without 居住7年
BUT 我好懷疑有 JM 表示她自己已閱讀判詞

again 我不同意他們可以享受我們的social benefit without 居住7年

But 一定不是 "充滿主觀思維", it is logically developed with reference and authority

E.g. :

173. Even though I am of the view that Madam Kong should succeed without having to rely on the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (“the ICESCR”), I propose to deal with this covenant, we having received full argument on it.

174. In 2003, which is the year before the residence requirement for the receipt of CSSA was raised from one year to 7 years, the Hong Kong Government submitted a report to the United Nations’ Committee on Economic Social and Cultural Rights (“the CESCR”) in which this was said:

“It is true that there is no single law – corresponding to the Hong Kong Bill of Rights Ordinance in relation to the ICCPR that incorporates the ICESCR into Hong Kong’s domestic legal order. However, ICESCR provisions are incorporated into our domestic law through several Articles of the Basic Law (for example Articles 27, 36, 37 137, 144 and 149), and through provisions in over 50 Ordinances. Those laws were listed in Annex 3 to the initial report, and are updated at Annex 2A of the present report. We consider that specific measures of this kind more effectively protect Covenant rights than would the mere re-iteration in domestic law of the Covenant provisions themselves.”

The Hong Kong Government said in Annex 2A of that report that art. 39 of the Basic Law is the constitutional guarantee for art. 2 of the ICESCR and that arts 36 and 145 of the Basic Law are the constitutional guarantees for art. 9 of the ICESCR.

175. Article 39 of the Basic Law reads:

“The provisions of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, and international labour conventions as applied to Hong Kong shall remain in force and shall be implemented through the laws of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region.”

The rights and freedoms enjoyed by Hong Kong residents shall not be restricted unless as prescribed by law. Such restrictions shall not contravene the provisions for the preceding paragraph of this Article.”

It will be observed that this article, too, speaks of residents and not only of permanent residents.

176. Turning to the two articles of the ICESCR which the Hong Kong Government told the CESCR are constitutionally guaranteed in Hong Kong, art. 2 reads:

“Each State Party to the present Covenant undertakes to take steps, individually and through international assistance and co-operation, especially economic and technical, to the maximum of its available resources, with a view to achieving progressively the full realization of the rights recognized in the present Covenant by all appropriate means, including particularly the adoption of legislative measures.”

And art. 9 reads:

“The States Parties to the present Covenant recognize the right of everyone to social security, including social insurance.”




THEREFORE 其實是寫基本法的愛黨愛國寫得衰造成的漏洞 ...








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siukei17  你d中夾英真係⋯⋯  發表於 13-12-17 17:29


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tcftcf 發表於 13-12-17 15:02
又關公民黨事?佢幫手打官司?
我見有人話d律師是佢哋d人.


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joanl28 發表於 13-12-17 15:27
咁點解你會假設人地係未睇 ?
新聞都已經有判決要點,就此討論有何問題 ?
...
新聞引要點可能會斷章取義,無可能覆蓋曬當中理據同邏輯?一個判案書最少都十頁紙,我真係唔信幾句可以解釋曬...
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tcftcf 發表於 13-12-17 15:24
佢支持同今次單官司有咩關係?你同而家D人無啦啦入定政府數先有咩分別
...


頭先你講架嘛︰
又關公民黨事?佢幫手打官司?


如果唔係呢班政棍推波助瀾﹐你估班大陸人識走呢D法律漏洞?
如果班立法局議員可以置身事外﹐咁佢地拎緊既人工係邊個比佢? 香港人選佢地出黎係因為支持佢地既理念囉﹐唔係將香港人辛苦賺黎既錢 & 打拼返黎既資源比外人駛下話?


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發表於 13-12-17 15:38 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 macyli.hk 於 13-12-17 15:38 編輯
joanl28 發表於 13-12-17 15:00
根本係法官胡亂理解
理財觀念中,下至百姓銀包,上至庫房
「發展」和「改進」都不可能解讀成必加的正數

如果只寫"自行制定政策 " it is much better
這些擦鞋廢物連基本的普通法訓練都沒有
畫蛇添足


香港人非常不幸




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我鐘意你同我講 I Love U, I Love U Too!
You are the sunshine of my life. That's why I'll always stay around. You are the apple of my eye. Forever you'll stay in my heart.


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點解發展同改進就一定等於唔可以減少?減少某d人既利益,從而令成個福利制度更公平唔係改進同發展咩?


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引用:Quote:tcftcf+發表於+13-12-17+15:02+又關

原帖由 neko138 於 13-12-17 發表
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWhyeiNACXQ





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引用:Quote:tcftcf+發表於+13-12-17+15:24+佢支

原帖由 neko138 於 13-12-17 發表
頭先你講架嘛︰
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