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Nillie_Mami


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Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

一. 建立睡時訓練
最近收到嘅PM, 媽咪們好concern點幫BB介掉同大人瞓覺..同/唔同床瞓也好...呢個叫做bed time rountine /training.
現在開呢個專題研習,睇吓點幫媽咪爹吔帶嚟多一點嘅私人空間......
適當時間:由6-8個月大就可以開始...但永遠冇話遲..
為BB定bedtime rountine.. BB/小孩久而久之便每日跟住個pattern 嚟生活, 作息便會定時。
但切忌-->
一.父母言而無信, 冇耐性,對小朋友嘅rountine規條朝令夕改...只以自己嘅方便為原則
二. BB 喊係表達方法... 要make sure佢喊唔係因為唔俾你走開... BB喊可能話你知佢痛? 餓? 冷熱? 有嘢irritate佢..被仔唔見咗? 唔舒服....鼻塞? 片片有便便? 片片太濕, 俾小便"乸"到痛?
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Bedtime rountine/ training 開始..
1. 每日於傍晚開始(晚飯時間)停止大肌肉活動 如晚飯後先落公園玩-->要改於飯前..一來食飽,二來會令BB/小孩仍處於顛峰狀態 , 晚飯後而和BB進行小肌內活動....和增進親子關係 ..如一齊睇故事書, 有益動畫, 畫畫, 砌績木, 玩公仔, 玩煮飯仔 {目的係俾BB/小孩知道,己經係夜晚黑同與父母陪養感情}
2. 為自己和BB/小孩定bed time時間-->９點就９點, 冇execption, 如果唔係就白做了.... 小朋友/BB係好需要紀律啊!
3.因應時間...好多家長會揀bedtime前幫小寶寶洗白白..係個好好嘅選擇, 可以令BB放鬆, 同冇痴立立嘅感覺. 洗完白白為BB塗一層bedtime lotion/baby lotion, 做簡單massage, 會令BB更好瞓...certainly, 為BB做口腔清潔.
4.為BB換上睡衣...有之識別.. BB便會知道係覺覺豬嘅時候!
5. 此時屋企所有嘈音要停止喇...如果隔籬屋(香港)好嘈, 而關上BB房的窗,反正'生風'對BB/小孩唔一定好...尤其係剛開始學自己瞓,可能會"fu"被, 要盡量減低所有嘅滋擾"irritation".
6. 抱小孩, BB落床, 坐於crib旁同BB講bedtime story, 或同月亮 講night night-->晚安
7. 將房間光線效至最弱/暗
8. 有需要就重播同一首淨音樂..或童謠..要冇歌詞同埋日間唔播嘅..令小孩/BB知道呢一覺係瞓到聽朝. (未介夜奶嘅BB..唔會因為咁而唔食夜奶o架!)
9. kiss BB/小孩,同講 night night, 係禮貌.... 順便學manner.
10. 離開房間, 但勿關上門.
P.S. 1 開始學bedtime rountine時, 要喺BB/小孩清醒時放落床, 如果唔係, ＢＢ/小孩半夜一醒便會好驚大喊
P.S.2 有BB要食飽先瞓, 奶一定要暖啊(for 海外媽咪)

[ 本文章最後由 Nillie_Mami 於 08-3-28 09:01 編輯 ]
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發表於 07-5-6 22:10 |顯示全部帖子

Re: Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

二. 建立自己覺覺豬篇開始時間:
6個月大打後都ok需時: 視付BB倚賴性有幾強, 種壞咗未同年紀, 難一概而論..
房間注意:
1.温度
2.光暗
3.嘈雜聲音
BB床位置留意:
1. 有冇危險? BB床附近有冇電源? 電線?
2. 近唔近窗?窗簾繩?
3. 有冇櫃喺旁邊?有嘅話...櫃有幾高?BB/小孩會唔會爬到/禽到? 有乜放嘢喺櫃上面? 如有coolmist/warm mist 要小心. 見議只使用coolmist, 因如小孩/BB自己瞓, 醒時多手玩煙冒, 可以造成三級燒傷, 手指機能喪失, 小心!
初時無論大小ＢＢ, 乜嘢年紀, 你一放佢落床, 當你一出房, 佢當然一定喊, 但佢喊時你唔應該用同情嘅眼光同語氣對BB講太多嘢..唔係嘅話, 小孩/BB會有misconcept..(我好可憐,媽媽爹吔唔要我,我又冇曳曳) 只會越喊越大聲. 所以父母語氣立場要堅定..
BB上床後, 5不規條:
1.不關BB房門
2.不妥協
3.不抱出BB床
4.不搖BB
5.不再餵奶或俾pacifier -->奶咀
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發表於 07-5-6 22:19 |顯示全部帖子

Re: Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

三.實行篇
方法1(如果你夠"捨得"):
1. 效暗光線,房門虛掩-->勿關門...小孩會好驚...咁做冇幫助.
2. BB(大過6個月有基本溝通能力)/小孩開始喊5分鐘時,講明係bedtime, 爸爸媽媽都瞓喇, BB都要瞓喇...勿抱BB出BB床,因為BB實好似隻樹熊仔咁痴到實.你第一個星期可以坐BB床邊,俾隻手佢, 話陪到佢瞓. 第二星期,只坐床旁邊. 第三星期企房門口
3. 用firm嘅語氣同BB講要瞓覺...等BB settle, 便再講nite nite, 離開房間.
時間: 視付你兩公婆可以乘受BB喊幾耐..
第一星期-->最難,最苦.
喊頭一次要等5分鐘至去安撫, 之後再喊就等10分鐘, 每次５分鐘,５分鐘,加上去.
第二星期-->BB會明顯喊小咗
喊頭一次要等10分鐘..時間幔慢垃長
P.S. 每一次喊, 都要留意...開頭要check 得好密...小心BB焗親同凍親

方法2..(因為我唔忍心)
在為BB學自己覺覺豬前2-3星期, 同BB/小孩一齊搬入BB房瞓
喺BB房加叠床, 但記住一定要朝拆晚鋪床...
小孩/BB會易適應好多, 但媽咪會好累.
第三星期開始..當BB/小孩一覺瞓天光就半夜返自己大人房瞓
第四星期(BB/小孩已慣起身你唔見咗人)就開始做方法1
所需時間(可能只俾淨用方法1長1-2星期, 但BB/小孩好小會晚上醒, 就算醒都會自己瞓番

P.S. 留意:小朋友一病, 大多數會全功盡費... 父母要有耐性同恆心...
希望你哋阿B早日好似Amanda咁自己瞓天光
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發表於 07-5-7 20:52 |顯示全部帖子

Re: Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

Yeeki,
我係child care worker, 讀youth development 出身, then, 再讀護士.. 97-98年去澳洲, 再修讀BSN, 一路讀上去咯.. 而家, 係Med-surg 嘅nurse in charge.. on緊 maternity leave..
so.. BB仔嘢好熟..
喺 melbourne時再 part time 修讀 UK 啲 Uni 嘅 Having babies 課程.. 想做 兒科 nurse practitioner.. 但professor 話我limit 自己.. 而家, 我明白喇..
教人湊小朋友係我興趣.. 咁我工作會冇壓力
med-surg, 急救, intensive care 係我強項, 係要有壓力至有好表現呢..

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發表於 07-5-20 03:17 |顯示全部帖子

Re: Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

yeeki, timyi
有唔明就問啊! 我 個個week 都會上BK 架..
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Re: Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

hiuyeeyee,
if you have other needs.. feel free to let me know.. when I am at home, I can write in chinese.. but when I am in hospital, it doesn't support chinese character.. so I have to type in english.
what kind of topic you guys interested in??
give me some time so I can organise the information and type it in chinese.
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發表於 07-6-13 22:36 |顯示全部帖子

Re: Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

小wahB,
as she is 17 months, if you are ready to have a second kid, it is time to let your daughter to wean BF at night.
also, not to skin to skin at night if she is not hungry. as you are giving her a wrong signal that you are her "human pacifier". you should stop it by now. also, to have skin to skin at night, that will increase the risk of tooth decay and underweight.
You can nurse her before work, and before bed, also, nurse her at weekend if she wants it.
you need to start the process of bed time routine from now, she is a toddler and she knows everything what you talk to her.
for the toilet training issue, I will answer you in the potty training forum, so other mom will have a chance to read your case. ok?
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發表於 07-6-14 21:23 |顯示全部帖子

Re: Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

小wahB,
I will say that because she doesn't able to sleep thru the night.
As she is really underweight, she really needs to establish a good sleeping pattern.
When you can have a good night sleep, you will gain weight. we eat supper and gain weight, because those food with all calories.. but breast milk is not.

Firstly, train bed time.
1. cut off all skin to skin at night, breast feed her before bed. If she wakes up, feed with milk in the beginning. after 2 weeks, wean night bottle by giving her water in bottle ( warm the water prior it).
2. after you make it. Then start bed time training
3. as you know your lil one will cry in the morning, leave it, don't skin to skin in the morning.
4. Do you pump milk??? I guess that you don't right? then you have to prepare yourself, your milk supply may stop at anytime.

After bed time routine set up and run smoothly, you can start training her with potty training. she is 17 months, as a girl, she is old enough to learn it.

Are you a nurse??
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發表於 07-6-16 22:34 |顯示全部帖子

Re: Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

小wahB,
so, you better cut off all skin to skin at night. and give her bottle of water instead of milk.
if you still pump milk, then do once before you go to work.. or during the night (prn).
we need to let her know. you will not be around with her at night no more.
to beginning with that.. let her to have bottle with water. not milk.
Also, after she knows that she will only get water at night, she will wean night feed very soon.

do you understand .. why your daughter is underweight? it is mostly because she can not sleep thru the night. therefore, her body burns more calories than she suppose to be. Therefore she doesn't gain weight (also because of the sepsis which she has when she was lil, did she on feeding tube, plus IV antibiotics??)
At the day time, the intake is very important as well.. sorry that I don't help mami to write diet and set up time table any more.. as I don't have time to do it. I used to do it years ago, when I was a full time mom.
anyway, I guess that you know more than I do. ^o^

For me, I also pump milk, I pump 2 times at work (I am a night shift nurse in charge) and skin to skin at day time every day.
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發表於 07-6-18 22:19 |顯示全部帖子

Re: Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

moooo,
你小B 有幾大呀??
有冇工人??
係咪有BB房??
你2公婆每日幾點放工?
邊個係 main care giver?
你係乳牛媽媽(餵人奶?)
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發表於 07-6-21 22:21 |顯示全部帖子

Re: Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

Mooo,
你BB係人奶BB.. as 我係lactation consultant, 唔見議你 set bed time 校BB 時間, 你BB頭6個月係 feed on demand, also, BB 未正式分清日夜, 只要一有病痛( such as immunisation 之後有reaction), 你就會以為自己全功盡廢呢.. BB by about 4-5months 就會strongly 表現佢哋嘅作息時間, 你可以將 bed time 餐奶 改formula, so, BB 飽肚啲, 就會瞓過夜. if 你 night time skin to skin, 就好難令BB sleep thru the night, 因為人奶易消化.
also, 留意自己嘅diet, BB飽唔飽肚都睇你食啲乜呢!
足6 months 之後, 再將 bed time 餐奶轉 formula 喇!!
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發表於 07-6-27 22:43 |顯示全部帖子

Re: Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

點解呢排都係啲3個月大BB嘅mami 就要求為 BB set bed time routine??
你哋有冇由第一個message 睇起架?
please go thru the message.. 因為如果你有睇, 你唔會留message 俾我呢!!

Elmolly,
首先講明, 下不為例, 呢個forum 係教媽咪幫 over 6 months 嘅 BB set up bed time routine, 唔係教初生人奶B 瞓過夜..
你係人奶媽... 平心而論.. 魚與熊掌呀!
又要自己瞓得好, 又要小Ｂ瞓通宵, 又要skin to skin..
你小B only 3 months .. must feed on demand 架..
我唔認同你媽咪所講..
我係全skin to skin 媽咪 ( from Gabriel birth to 4.5 months), 之後轉 day time skin to skin, night time bottle feed BF.. 我小B冇咁嘅問題..
大女BB時直情冇pump 過奶乜淛.. complete skin to skin 都冇當我係人肉奶咀..
Mostly, 係你俾BB misconcept. 令佢以為一喊就可以skin to skin.
anyway, if 你 insist skin to skin at night, 你就好難幫BB set up bed time routine, if 你plan to wean BF, 俾BB on bottle from bed time, 就 等BB 6 months old and up 再嚟問過問題..
as 我答上一個媽咪一樣.. 你哋係同一樣有個3個月大BB.. 參考佢嘅解答喇.
once again. 人奶BB first 6 months 係feed on demand, 冇得介夜奶, unless BB naturally wean off, otherwise, BB 會underweight 同dehydration.
你都係為BB好至餵人奶, 否則, 為BB安全起見, 我suggest 你為BB轉餵 formula 至去介夜奶, plus set up bed time routine 好啲!
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發表於 07-6-29 20:53 |顯示全部帖子

Re: Bed time routine 教BB自已覺覺豬

elmolly,
BB已有3個月大, 要阻止佢喇.. 一來, 你做人肉奶咀會令你milk flow 下降, 2來, BB 以為牙痕, 唔順心就可以咬媽咪, as you said.. 咁你點去街/沖澡 etc??
我 set 個 new topic for 乳牛媽媽喺 USA club, so 你哋啲乳牛媽去嗰new forum 喥 互相分憂喇!
I will answer your message over there..
leave this forum 去教其他媽咪幫 BB set up bed time routine.
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發表於 07-8-30 14:04 |顯示全部帖子
原文章由 elmolly 於 07-8-29 02:43 PM 發表
-> so it means 5 mins for the 1st night then hold her and 10 mins for the 2nd night etc? after I comfort her, should I make her sleep as usual or put her to her crib again? or should I let Andrea cry until she falls to sleep herself? still need to sit next to her?

do I need to start with a time that close to her current sleeping time or the time she starts to get sleepy?
...

Elmolly,
for this teaching theory, we do not pick up Andrea from the crib. No Hold, No carry, No rocking.
you can sit next to her, hold her hand not her body.
if you can tolerate her crying, you can wait up to 20min before you walk into her room.
Just do it as usual. Don't make any big changes.
Andrea is very confuse. as her life style/pattern has never been fixed.
Once you pick her up from her crib, she expected that you will hold her all the time. therefore, don't pick her up.
trust the expert.. after a month, Andrea will get use to it.. (mostly, kid /infant will learn the sleeping pattern in a month)
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發表於 07-8-31 02:39 |顯示全部帖子
elmolly,
mostly BB 都係要get thru 呢個problem.
你要知道呢個係Andrea 成長會經過嘅階段..
你如果想佢唔喊, solution 只有一個, 就係你quit 份工, 做full time stay home mom, 同全天侯 skin to skin Andrea day and night, sleep with andrea 做Andrea 嘅人肉奶咀
Elmolly, 你知道根本你唔可行架..
Andrea 喊你都要忍心, 佢唔係BB架喇, 你大聲鬧佢, 佢識喊呀! 唔好俾佢教你點做佢父母.. 係你教佢點做你個女呀!

原文章由 elmolly 於 07-8-30 02:36 AM 發表
Nillie_Mami,

咁由佢喊到自己瞓著? 會唔會令佢覺得好無安全感? cause I know sense of security helps to build up confidence. Andrea 成日都瞓瞓下突然間喊,好似好驚咁:-(
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elmolly,
when Amanda was little, she cried so mad every night, some nights, she even throw up.. and make big mess..
but .. still..
after a few weeks of struggle.. she cried with teats, put her head on my hand, as I only put my head inside her crib for comfort.
I was sitting inside her bedroom, 1/2 sit 1/2 laydown for those weeks.
Then, after she fell asleep, I went back to my bedroom
finally, she even doesn't need me no more, just give her a bottle, and she will wave goodbye to you..
the process is hard.. but if you don't even make a start.. the crying will never end.

Add oil Elmolly..
原文章由 elmolly 於 07-8-30 06:52 PM 發表
Nillie_Mami,

ok, I'll try, will start it from tonight cause it's friday and hubby can back me up. just want to confirm if I need to 咁由佢喊到自己瞓著? I hope I can go thru this, a painful and heart ...
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發表於 07-9-2 01:02 |顯示全部帖子
elmolly,
1.if Andrea throw up, you certainly pick her up, because you need to change the bed, then put her back as per the theory.
2. I gave Amanda my hand as well, she slept on my hand in a few min, she just needed comfort.
3. if she woke up, follow the theory, walk into the room, talk to her, no matter she cries, never pick her up, NO HOLDING, NO ROCKING..
4. DO NOT SKIN TO SKIN AT NIGHT IF YOU ARE NOT THE CARE GIVER AT NIGHT.
Elmolly,
I wonder.. is my forum.. the way I write is not very clear? Do I need to re-write the forum? because I wonder, you will ask all those questions.. which I did mention in the forum already..

Elmolly,
Do not skin to skin at night, I told you a few times already, because you are going to mess everything up again.
She doesn't need to be skin to skin at night, leave her with the philipino maid. let her deal with Andrea when she woke up at night.
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Elomlly,
the meaning of "喊頭一次要等5分鐘至去安撫, 之後再喊就等10分鐘, 每次５分鐘,５分鐘,加上去." does not mean that you really do it once..
my dear
Day1 if andrea cries.. you go and check her after 5min, after she calm down and SLEEP, then you leave the room, then when she cries again,you go in and calm her down again.. after a night or 2, then you increase the time.
bit by bit.
when you go to Page 1, get the book which teach you how to set up bed time routine, all of those tell you the same thing.
you will not get your Andrea to sleep on her own in 3 days.. that is impossible.
For a good obedience child may need a month or more to do it.. not Andrea at all as she is spoiled, you may expect that.. to take at least 2-3 months to work on Andrea.
Even you sleep in the same room with Andrea, no skin to skin as I told. If you skin to skin her, just because you want to be quiet, you will pay for it... I can predict that.
you will feed her with bottle if she is hungry at night.
Be honest, I can not telll whether she is hungry or not at 4am or 5am, you are the one who knows her. right?
If she is hungry, feed her WITH BOTTLE.
and you pump milk at night, that is what I am doing when Gabriel is with me (as my nanny takes off every 2 weeks with 2 days). I pump every 4-6 hours, and feed Gabriel when he is hungry by bottle.
As he is BF baby, I won't mess up his routine.
Gabriel sleeps on his bed by himself, we feed him at 7pm, then leave him in his crib AWAKE, then he will fall asleep in 10 min, then he will start sucking his thumb at about 12am, then me/nanny will feed him by bottle, he will fall asleep right afterward, until 5-7am.. depends.. (Baby is human, not a toy, you can not ask him/her to wake up on your schedule), then we give him 1 more bottle, he may stay awake for a while, then he will sleep again..
that is his bed time routine. during his bed time, we don't touch him at all.. as some moms will keep putting back the blanket, or turn round their babies because they sleep on their sides or tummy, COME ON, forget about it.. if they can filp over, that's mean, they are old enough to turn their head on side way to breath! STOP touching your sleeping kid.. while s/he is sleeping. and YOU, go back to sleep!

Elmolly,
我哋要軍訓Andrea, 我就要軍訓埋你同你老公..
print out 個bed time routine 俾你老公督"chok"你去follow, 唔好俾你心軟!!

[ 本文章最後由 Nillie_Mami 於 07-9-1 19:26 編輯 ]
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Elmolly,
1. you can give her you tee, but remember to wash it every day, and remember to switch it with other tees, so she will not stick with the one (the only one).
2. no pacifier on bed time training because she will cry very mad when her pacifier drops, I can tell, you will be sitting next to her bed whole night to pick up the pacifier.
3. Gabriel was bed time trained then we taught him to use bottle.
4. I gave Amanda my hands, when she cried.. (when she was having her bed time training years ago). that helps to smooth her, if Andrea can settle with your tee or a small blanket.. let her be. she needs something to settle for the night.
5. Do not touch her if she is fine. if you clear her tears, she will think that she is very very poor and will never stop crying. (now, you tried, and you learned... so do not do it again).
6. we feed Gabriel in his crib, we do not pick him up, nanny will pick him up for feeding, but when she leaves him in the crib, he will fall asleep very soon (as he is trained)
7. Nanny 911 /super nanny are the program to help the parents to deal with toddlers and kids with behavioural probelm. Not suitable with infant.
8. May I ask, why Andrea will sleep in play pen at night?
She got her crib, she supposed to sleep inside her crib at night. She is so young, you better train her to sleep in her crib first, once she has no problem to sleep in her crib, then you can let her have a test drive on the play pen, but this moment. not a good idea.

[ 本文章最後由 Nillie_Mami 於 07-9-2 09:10 編輯 ]
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elmolly
你咪咁貪心喇, Andrea 係human beings, 唔係你嘅model clay, 佢得幾個月大人仔, 你想佢點呀?
俾佢可以揸住你其中一件tee喇.
plus, nap time 唔可以用bed time training 嘅方法.
唔好confuse Andrea, 叫工人咪咁懶.. 佢嘅工作係take care Andrea 同entertain 佢架嘛
日頭瞓晒時, 夜晚又點瞓呀! 唉@.@ 呢個世界冇咁完美架!

原文章由 elmolly 於 07-9-2 10:34 AM 發表
Nillie_Mami,

oops, tonight she slept already with my other tee! my hubby said she started starring at my tee when I was doing the cleaning for her before bed. I hope the training will go more smooth ...
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